The Missing Link in My Family History or My Biggest Genealogy Block

25 Oct

 

Harry Rosenberg

We think this is Grandpa Harry on his bar mitzvah day.

Help!

I know basically nothing about one set of my paternal great grandparents. My grandfather, Harry Rosenberg… Hersh Zvi ben Avraham, was the son of Abraham and Sarah Rosenberg. His father, Abraham, abandoned the family when my grandfather was about 13 or 14. Grandpa was borned in 1888 or 1889. So in 1901 or 1902, his father left and ended up in the Seattle, Washington, area. He came back to the east coast around September 1941, because he showed up at my Dad’s bar mitzvah. I know that he had a second wife, or a woman that he lived with on the West Coast. He supposedly became quite wealthy. Who knows?

Grandpa was born in New York, the oldest of six children: Harry, “Hady” (Harriet), Jacob, Muriel and two maiden sister.  (I am thinking one of my great grandparent’s parents had an H sound in their name, since both my grandfather and his oldest sister were Harry and Harriet.)

After Grandpa traveled to the west coast to find his father, he returned to New York to help support his sibling. He was a tailor. And through his work, all five of his siblings went to college Grandpa never did.   He found out much later that his mother had lied to him for many years.   She had been getting money from her husband, but never told my grandfather, and so kept him working for the family. (See blog post below: “The Sad Scandal That Forever Scarred My Grandpa Harry )

Grandpa married my grandmother, Esther Goldman, on February 26, 1922. He died February 29, 1984.

I know that Jacob got married and had a son named, Betram, and a daughter, Delilah. Delilah was around the same age as my Aunt, so born around 1931. I know because my Aunt would go to their house for piano lessons once a week. They lived in New York City at least until the 1940s. But supposedly he was an important lawyer and moved to England at some point and never came back to the USA.

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Standing: Great Uncle Lenny, Great Aunt Hady, Grandpa Harry, Grandma Esther. Seating are my great grandmother and great aunt from my Grandma’s side.

Haddie married Lenny.   I knew them when I was a child. They lived to the end of their lives in Sullivan County, New York, in the Monticello area. (See blog post below: The Littlest Gambler: Learning about Horse Races in The Catskills.)

The two maiden sisters, and Muriel, I never knew. But Muriel also married and had sons. But that is all I know. The only story I know is that my grandmother asked them if they had any names they wanted when my aunt and uncle were born. Hence my Uncle’s middle name was Prime, and my Aunt’s middle name was Gwendolyn.   Grandma did not offer when my Dad was born.

I know my great grandfather’s original last name was “Grau.” He was one of three to five brothers who came to the USA at different times. We believe they all took different names.

I know nothing else. I do not even know my great grandmother’s maiden name. I don’t know when she was born or when she died. I do not know when my great grandparents’ married. But I know it had to be on or before 1888. I do not know when they moved to the USA.  We have no known photos of my great grandparents.

I am hoping one of the wonderful researchers from Tracing the Tribe can help me.

I would appreciate it. My Grandpa Harry’s family is the missing link in my research.

 

https://zicharonot.wordpress.com/2015/06/14/the-sad-scandal-that-forever-scarred-my-grandpa-harry/

https://zicharonot.wordpress.com/2015/02/18/the-littlest-gambler-learning-about-horse-races-in-the-catskills/

16 Responses to “The Missing Link in My Family History or My Biggest Genealogy Block”

  1. Amy October 25, 2017 at 6:33 pm #

    I left some documents and comments on Facebook. Hope something helps! Like I said, I’d start with the most recent people you have information for and work backwards.

    • zicharon October 25, 2017 at 7:14 pm #

      Thank you! I do appreciate it!!!

      • Amy October 26, 2017 at 3:57 pm #

        Let me know what you learn. The more facts you gather, the more you can find.

      • zicharon October 26, 2017 at 4:33 pm #

        True!

      • zicharon October 26, 2017 at 7:14 pm #

        I will

  2. Heather N. Paxton October 25, 2017 at 11:12 pm #

    Abraham Rosenberg

    in the 1900 United States Federal Census
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    Name: Abraham Rosenberg
    Age: 35
    Birth Date: 1865
    Birthplace: Russia
    Home in 1900: Manhattan, New York, New York
    Street: Sheriff Street
    House Number: 9
    Sheet Number: 26A
    Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation: 40
    Family Number: 468
    Race: White
    Gender: Male
    Immigration Year: 1890
    Relation to Head of House: Head
    Marital Status: Married
    Spouse’s Name: Sarah Rosenberg
    Marriage Year: 1883
    Years Married: 17
    Father’s Birthplace: Russia
    Mother’s Birthplace: Russia
    Years in US: 10
    Naturalization: Na
    Occupation: Ladies Tailor
    Months not employed: 5
    Can Read: Yes
    Can Write: Yes
    Can Speak English: No
    House Owned or Rented: R
    Farm or House: H
    Neighbors: View others on page
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    Abraham Rosenberg 35
    Sarah Rosenberg 33
    Hannah Rosenberg 14
    Mauril Rosenberg 12
    Harry Rosenberg 10
    Lillie Rosenberg 8
    George Rosenberg 5
    Stella Rosenberg 3
    Murry Rosenberg 1

    • zicharon October 26, 2017 at 7:29 am #

      Wow there are children I don’t know about! Hedy must be Hannah. It Harriet! But where is Jacob. Could he be George! Thank you!!

  3. Heather N. Paxton October 25, 2017 at 11:17 pm #

    Sarah Rosenberg

    in the 1900 United States Federal Census
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    Name: Sarah Rosenberg
    Age: 33
    Birth Date: Apr 1867
    Birthplace: Russia
    Home in 1900: Manhattan, New York, New York
    Street: Sheriff Street
    House Number: 9
    Sheet Number: 26A
    Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation: 40
    Family Number: 468
    Race: White
    Gender: Female
    Immigration Year: 1892
    Relation to Head of House: Wife
    Marital Status: Married
    Spouse’s Name: Abraham Rosenberg
    Marriage Year: 1883
    Years Married: 17
    Father’s Birthplace: Russia
    Mother’s Birthplace: Russia
    Mother: number of living children: 7
    Mother: How many children: 7
    Years in US: 8
    Can Read: No
    Can Write: No
    Can Speak English: Yes
    Neighbors: View others on page
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    Abraham Rosenberg 35
    Sarah Rosenberg 33
    Hannah Rosenberg 14
    Mauril Rosenberg 12
    Harry Rosenberg 10
    Lillie Rosenberg 8
    George Rosenberg 5
    Stella Rosenberg 3
    Murry Rosenberg 1

  4. Heather N. Paxton October 25, 2017 at 11:31 pm #

    (1905 — but Abraham is suddenly older)
    Sarah Rosenberg
    in the New York, State Census, 1905
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    Name: Sarah Rosenberg
    Birth Year: abt 1867
    Birth Place: Russia
    Age: 38
    Gender: Female
    Race: White
    Residence Year: 1905
    Residence: Manhattan, New York, New York, USA
    Relationship to Head: Wife
    Assembly District: 16
    Election District: 14
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    Abraham Rosenberg 45
    Sarah Rosenberg 38
    Hannah Rosenberg 19
    Mamie Rosenberg 17
    Harry Rosenberg 15
    Lillie Rosenberg 14
    Geoge Rosenberg 11
    Stella Rosenberg 8
    Moris Rosenberg 6
    Ruth Rosenberg 3
    Mammie Rosenberg 32
    Max Rosenberg 35

  5. Heather N. Paxton October 25, 2017 at 11:35 pm #

    Sarah Rosenberg

    in the 1920 United States Federal Census
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    Name: Sarah Rosenberg
    Age: 53
    Birth Year: abt 1867
    Birthplace: Russia
    Home in 1920: Bronx Assembly District 3, Bronx, New York
    Street: East 161 Street
    Residence Date: 1920
    Race: White
    Gender: Female
    Immigration Year: 1891
    Relation to Head of House: Wife
    Marital Status: Married
    Spouse’s Name: Abraham Rosenberg
    Father’s Birthplace: Russia
    Mother’s Birthplace: Russia
    Native Tongue: Russian
    Able to Speak English: Yes
    Naturalization Status: Alien
    Able to Read: No
    Able to Write: No
    Neighbors: View others on page
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    Abraham Rosenberg 60
    Sarah Rosenberg 53
    Hannah Rosenberg 28
    George Rosenberg 26
    Stella Rosenberg 22
    Murray Rosenberg 20
    Ruth Rosenberg 16
    Beatrice Rosenberg 23
    Mamie Rabinowitz 27
    Max Rabinowitz 32
    Alfred Rabinowitz 3
    Shirley Rabinowitz 2

  6. Heather N. Paxton October 25, 2017 at 11:36 pm #

    Sarah Rosenberg

    in the New York, State Census, 1925
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    Name: Sarah Rosenberg
    Birth Date: abt 1867
    Birth Place: Russia
    Age: 58
    Gender: Female
    Residence Place: New York, Bronx
    Relationship: Wife
    Color or Race: White
    Number of Years in US: 32
    Assembly District: 03
    House Number: 860
    Line Number: 04
    Page Number: 41
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    A Rosenberg 68
    Sarah Rosenberg 58

  7. Heather N. Paxton October 25, 2017 at 11:37 pm #

    Sara Rosenberg

    in the 1930 United States Federal Census
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    Name: Sara Rosenberg
    Birth Year: abt 1867
    Gender: Female
    Race: White
    Birthplace: Russia
    Marital Status: Married
    Relation to Head of House: Wife
    Homemaker?: Yes
    Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York, USA
    Map of Home: View Map
    Ward of City: Part of Tract 918
    Block: K
    House Number: 685
    Dwelling Number: 20
    Family Number: 241
    Age at First Marriage: 20
    Attended School: No
    Able to Read and Write: No
    Father’s Birthplace: Russia
    Mother’s Birthplace: Russia
    Language Spoken: Yiddish
    Immigration Year: 1921
    Naturalization: Alien
    Able to Speak English: No
    Occupation: Janitor
    Industry: Apartment house
    Class of Worker: Unpaid worker, member of the family
    Employment: Yes
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    Abraham Rosenberg 70
    Sara Rosenberg 63
    Alexander Samuels 45

  8. Heather N. Paxton October 25, 2017 at 11:43 pm #

    Sarah Rosenberg

    in the New York, New York, Death Index, 1862-1948
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    Name: Sarah Rosenberg
    Age: 71
    Birth Year: abt 1867
    Death Date: 14 Apr 1938
    Death Place: Kings, New York, USA
    Certificate Number: 8148

  9. Heather N. Paxton October 25, 2017 at 11:44 pm #

    Sarah Rosenberg

    in the New York, New York, Death Index, 1862-1948
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    Name: Sarah Rosenberg
    Age: 68
    Birth Year: abt 1868
    Death Date: 28 Jan 1936
    Death Place: Kings, New York, USA
    Certificate Number: 2401

  10. Heather N. Paxton October 26, 2017 at 1:02 am #

    I haven’t found grave sites for of the Sarah Rosenberg who died in January 1936 or the one who died in April 1938. Here are some others (I think most, if not all, can be eliminated from your search.) https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSfn=Sara&GSmn=&GSln=Rosenberg&GSbyrel=before&GSby=1872&GSdyrel=before&GSdy=1970&GScntry=4&GSst=36&GSgrid=&df=all&GSob=n

    • zicharon October 26, 2017 at 7:35 am #

      Wow. You did such wonderful work. Now I have to figure out who everyone is. There is an extra boy. And it shows Abraham with her. And I know he left. Thank you so much!

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